Wednesday, March 29, 2006

RACIST

I couldn't a said it better

40 Comments:

Blogger KidKawartha said...

I see you've chosen option #3. And JoeDon as well. ;) I haven't seen a flameout like this one since a year or two ago on big orange.
I hope JoeDon shows here.
And I will be here.
Period.

11:19 PM  
Anonymous Joe Don Martin said...

Yo M. Duratti,

I just gave my walking papers to MzNicky's bitch- oh, shit, don't ban me. Canuk said there were some of y'all haunting these halls so I brought my ball and thought I'd see about getting up a game.

Joe Don Martin, Nimrods Son, Corporal Comfort, Woolly Nelson, and there may be more I can't remember.

PS- nice crib on that little Pieta snippet, comrade durrati

11:20 PM  
Blogger KidKawartha said...

Well, hallelujah, it's the second coming of JoeDonmotherfucker.
I'm waiting for permission to post your e-mail, brother.
And welcome the hell aboard.
You devious bastard. Nimrod, etc.

11:28 PM  
Blogger KidKawartha said...

And check the previous two threads while you're at it.....

11:34 PM  
Anonymous Joe Don Martin, Esq. said...

oldtomfrost@fuse.net. how's that for permission?

11:34 PM  
Blogger KidKawartha said...

In honour of JoeDon's defection-

What up, Canuk?

I'm waiting for Ofjoedon to finish making my birthday cake, which actually
consists of her slathering her torso in canned butter creme frosting- after
decimating the frosting aisle at the local grocer's. She's probaly got a good
half hour left to go on the slathering and then it's time to lick out the
candles.

Joe Don.

I hate seeing a grown man cry in laughter, especially when it's me.

11:37 PM  
Blogger WeCanFixThisMess said...

(Snark free post)

I'm gonna miss you guys a lot. I feel abandoned. I'm flashing back to my parent's divorce.

11:47 PM  
Blogger WeCanFixThisMess said...

Well, I guys you guys have gone off somewhere to talk among yourselves.

12:01 AM  
Blogger KidKawartha said...

wcftm-
You're a west coaster- they're probably in bed.
I'm a total night-owl, yet I've got about an hour or two left in me if you want to yak for a bit. I just left a comment on the post in question if you want to jump over there. I'll keep checking here for an hour or so.

12:13 AM  
Blogger WeCanFixThisMess said...

Goodnight Canuck.

What a sad day this was.

12:45 AM  
Blogger KidKawartha said...

Peace, brother.
I've got a few thoughts yet, though.
Your openness and vulnerability are a couple of your greatest strengths, which you happen to be viewing from the other side right now. Although my folks never divorced, their marriage has never been perfect, either. So I can't speak to the unique pain and memories you have in the midst of this little dust-up, but I do know what it's like to wonder how I would have turned out if I had parents who were better capable to love and support me for who I was, not who they hoped I'd be- yet they did their best and I have to deal with my genetic depressive capacities I've developed- both on my own and with any good people I can find. But remember that- your posts at the General's are among my fav's, b/c your idealism and enthusiasm shone through every time, and you refuse to post only snark, contributing awareness links and outside thoughts on a regular basis. You're a gem in the big-picture fight we're in- a very healthy human being who doesn't have to apologize for himself, and I hope you realize that.
JoeDon and Durrati are adults and can and will live with their choices and decisions. I love them both and support them in their anger and their hurt despite not necessarily agreeing with them- understand?
Your value in in who you are and what you are becoming, not in how perfect everything is over at the General's.
Ok, enough preaching, catch you on the flip.

See you in the battle-

1:03 AM  
Blogger durrati said...

J.D. and Canuck,

Welcome to all of you Joe Don. I may not be as clever as J.C. Matriot is building a blog but you will never be told what you can and cannot say here. That goes for any one who has posted here, as for new ones what show up well, we'll see what they are about. It's a shame it had to come to this....

4:49 AM  
Blogger durrati said...

What I propose is this. I do not have the time or inclination to change the theme of Channelling. At least not now. But do not feel compelled to stay on topic in the comments section. To make this place entertaing I rely on my posters to lead the discussion into topics that would like to talk about. I need to see about using gravatar, I don't know what the cost is...

Joe Don,

I suspected you were Nimrod from the "Durrati?Pigtails remark, ask Fixit. Don't be shy about taking the lead here... me casa es su casa...

5:01 AM  
Blogger durrati said...

Well, it looks like we're expatriots....

5:03 AM  
Blogger durrati said...

Whattheheh,

I saw your comment at the end of the dread post at J.C.'s and want you to know that it matters not a bit to me where you came down on that issue, I will always value your opinion here.....

All the ladies,

Please forgive any momentary lapses in language, J.C. really teed me off calling me a racist....

5:50 AM  
Anonymous WhattheH said...

Durrati, I don't necessarily agree with the way some of the ladies framed their objections - I put it down to frustration. I do, however, agree that some of the male comments were a bit overboard. It's difficult for a male to understand the issues that most of us have had to deal with over the years but I'll bore the hell out of you and give you a bit of my history. I was called a beautiful child, blonde hair, blue eyes, pretty in a Shirley Temple sort of way. I was molested by a neighbour when I was five, by my uncle at 6, and by the superintendent of our apartment building when I was 14. In all cases, it was hushed up because it shouldn't happen to nice little girls. You think I would have learned to be on my guard, but my nature was such that I preferred to think the best of people. That changed when I was 20 and was raped - in the laundry room of my apartment building. My marriage ended when I had an unfortunate conjoined twin pregnancy, which I wanted to abort, but pressure from the men in my life didn't allow for that. I was a good, dutiful little Christian wife and daughter. Full term, live birth, died four hours later, left me with a scar to end all scars, completely ruined abdominal muscles and an inability to ever give birth naturally - I won't go into the mental and emotional damage. Sounds like a melodramatic novel, doesn't it, but it doesn't stop there, it just gets worse. That's why, when men start mentioning women's body parts in anything other than a respectful manner, I get twitchy and turn off. That's why I haven't been posting at the General's recently - too many T&A comments that bring back painful memories. I've been alone, by choice, for 17 years, since my son was born and I've raised my two beautiful children by myself, with no help financial or otherwise, from any man. I've worked damned hard to be able to retire at 55, and am comfortable with who I am and finally with my history. I don't have a problem with men anymore because I'm told my body language would freeze hell, and of course, the looks go with age, as mine have done. The sad thing is that my story is not unusual, and it is still happening today. I believe that the Ladies' Auxilliary all have their own horror stories, which explains their vehement reaction. BTW, I also have been told off for being a little overzealous with a backbiter.
I don't believe that the General meant that you were a racist, but he felt that strong language was required to bring the folks back to intelligent satire and inject sanity into a situation spiralling out of control on all sides. He also sounded off earlier in the thread at MzNicky. Don't be put off. WCFTM had some very good advice, and it would be a shame if you let a moment of anger keep you away.
That said, I'm still here, still reading, commenting and will continue as long as everyone is respectful to everyone else.
WCFTM, What Canuk said. You are a dear, and when you come to Toronto, you've got a tour guide. I hope Blanche gets back soon - I miss her.
Durrati, as a closer, I am 110% celibate - but still heterosexual. Wish I could be attracted to women, because with the new job, I could use a wife. I've never found a man who wasn't intimidated by my independence or who wanted to be a wife - just my luck. I must have been Atilla the Hun in my last life, cause I'm sure paying the price in this one.

7:03 AM  
Anonymous WhattheH said...

Jackie, if you tune in, Magda Havas is the research Prof involved with the effects of electromagnetic energy on humans
http://www.powerlinefacts.com/Expert%20Testimony/Havas.htm
The interview to which I referred was on CTV Canada AM, and is documented here:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060329/electricity_allergies_060329/20060329?hub=Health
Still investigating, and will report.

10:20 AM  
Anonymous Bakelite Lung said...

Hi folks --

Just for the record, I'm not 100% clear about whatever it was that happened over at The General's, but please do not interpret this confession as a request to learn more. It is apparently not my battle. I have no particular opinion and I'm not taking sides.

Carry on.

10:35 AM  
Blogger durrati said...

whattheheh,

nothing I read from Joe Don was meant to be disrespectful to women as a group, he was trashing Coulter and Barbara Bush. They are not even human to him he described them both as beasts. I share common body parts with George Bush but wouldn't step in no matter what was being lopped off. Methinks you lovely ladies do yourself harm by setting yourselves apart (and for some above) your male allies in the struggle for decency and humanity FOR ALL. I refer you to my very first post where I discuss how the Spanish republic was lost by the fratricide and in- fighting of the left. I will allow no one to tell me what to think or say.

Though I cannot identify with pregnancy I was molested as a child by a man and as an adolescent (12 years old) by a girl five years older than me. And while it in no way compares with rape, this happens more than you might think. I hope You continue to visit, if you see something you don't like blast the hell outta the poster ...

11:00 AM  
Blogger durrati said...

Dear Bakelite,

I, of course, expect you to do nothing other than what you wish! But please continue to visit my little corner of the net, I would hate like hell to lose you...

11:02 AM  
Blogger KidKawartha said...

New thread!

11:49 AM  
Anonymous jackie_o said...

I wrote something, now none of it applies. You guys are too quick.
Anyway, I vote we move on, if I may be so bold, and respect the wisdom and feelings of every commentator here. durrati, you've already done that, who the hell am I?
Whattheh,
I'm am humbled...sorry doesn't do the injustice suffered by you, justice. It sheds a great deal of light on some thoughts I'll keep to myself for now.
Thank you for the information. We went for so many years with tourettes being considered an "orphan disease" There wasn't enough funding for research grants because it was thought to be so rare. Now it seems, in many cases, it was misdiagnosed. We live near in a very polluted area of IN near the steel mills and my brother-in-law died at age 45 of leukemia after spending his life working in the mill and various other industrial jobs around here. It was the type of leukemia associated with exposure to carcinogens. His widow, 1 month after his death with 2 small children to raise, was diagnosed with MS. Her neighbor has it as well.
durrati,
I am sorry about your experiences. I must confess to never having heard a male talk about molestation. I only say that because I wonder how many man and boys have been molested and we never know. The catholic church scandel alone brought out a lot of unknown suffering, but how much more?
Canuck,
I haven't forgotten about writing, I just have limited time at the computer. I have a shoulder injury and disability which causes chronic pain and has cost me motion and some use of my right arm. The longer I type, the more I'm gonna hurt. I'll try tomorrow. Sorry.

11:49 AM  
Blogger durrati said...

Dear Jackie,

You are a good soldier, to stand by my side...
My sister and her husband lived for a few years (before she kicked him to the curb) in Hammond and Gary, Indiana. I visited there many times as a boy. Your experience with tourettes sound much like what is happening today with the mercury in children's vaccinations, except in your case it was neglect and now it is something more sinister, protection of profits...
It is perhaps only the anonymity
of the net that allows me to talk about being molested, probably a good thing, as I can't afford the couch...

12:05 PM  
Blogger KidKawartha said...

Resistance fighters-
I think we should all chip in and get jackie_o a voice-recognition writing software. Her thoughts are too valuable to be fractioned by the pain.

12:06 PM  
Blogger KidKawartha said...

durrati-
I'm not that bad a piece of French furniture but I'll do my best. ;)

12:08 PM  
Blogger durrati said...

whattheheh,

Fixit just e-mailed and thought I had given you short shrift. I dunno maybe I did, but that was never my intention. You know how much I respect your mind and opinion? We go back aways, probably further than Fixit realizes. I wasn't comparing scars dear, we all know that in this mortal coil men get off easy. Don't we? I do. Eve got the babies with large craniums and Adam had to go to work... I'm off like a racehorse to the time clock on that one. I hope to visit Toronto before canuck beats my time ;)

1:13 PM  
Anonymous WhattheH said...

Fixit is a dear one. I'm not that vulnerable anymore - product of age, and I usually know when I've been slagged. I'm very aware of the abuse of boys, as well as girls. Unfortunately, both types of abuse are grossly under-reported. Mydear, I'm still here and still commenting.
WCFTM, thank you for looking out for an approaching senility almost old lady. I thought chivalry was dead, until I encountered you and others. It's been a real treat, thanks again.

9:20 PM  
Blogger durrati said...

hehwhat,

Middle age hardly puts one into dotage despite what young, earnest, loving and chivalrous whippersnappers think. Thank you for continued attention. I would be well satisfied if my blog settles into a forum for four or five commenters such as your lovely self.

10:20 PM  
Blogger Sgt Marks-a-lot said...

dear friends,

Sad to hear about the flame out at JG. Have been too exhausted by work and commute to read (or post) comments there so missed all the gore. In this case the outcome will leave the General's ranks a little poorer.

Durrati - Sad that you won't be posting there anymore. To me, your humanity always shone through even your most vicious snark.

I really appreciate what the General does and the insanity of followup posting but it is kind of a high wire act without nets. There is always a vigilante thought police presence that ebbs and flows but can get oppressive.

My favorite posts of all time are the psychotropic epics and I must say several by Stinkeye stand out as very, very fine (eliptical, stream of consciousness, very challenging to follow, veering towards great art or manifesting severe mental illness, your call) but some recent stuff by Joe Don I thought were also good (although in very poor taste).

I once got wacked hard by Anntichrist Coulter (who I think is a very tough, strong and intelligent person) over some post involving reference to a prostitute. It left me pretty miserable for a few days. We all know what our real intentions are and it is distressing to be labeled as misogynist or racist based on a post or two, often satiric. Although, I chose to kick back once or twice my core strategy over at the General's was to not do too much damage to the community because I really cherish the good things about the place. I know that if infighting reaches some threshold that it will affect JC Patriot and could over time result in him throwing in the towel and moving on to other intellectual pursuits. I would prefer that not happen. There is a definite tendency by some established posters there to take themselves far too seriously. Jeeze, it is just a fucking blog, lets lighten up and have a little fun.

Anyway Durrati and friends I will be stopping by here on a regular basis and look forward to your thoughts and happy to have a place to post off topic (which is about all I am fit to do!). If anyone wants to swap music or book (particularly adventure travel or WWII history/accounts) recommendations I would most willingly contribute.

Marks-a-lot

10:16 AM  
Blogger Sgt Marks-a-lot said...

whattheh,

Thanks for telling your story. My wife recently went on a retreat with 5 close women friends that she knows from high school. 3 were molested either as children or teens. It makes you wonder what % of the population has been sexually abused.

I always enjoy your comments. Hope you are feeling better.

Kind regards,

Mark-a-lot

10:32 AM  
Blogger durrati said...

Thanks Marks-O,
for hanging with us,

George Bernard Shaw once said:
"Taste: a quality possessed by persons without originality or moral courage."

I submit J.D. has loads of both and that is why some took offense. Stinkeye claims for herself the right to metaphorically mutilate men but whines and grows petulant about Joe's satire of the private parts of two beasts in skirts...it makes no sense to me.

I think you might like "Creation" by Gore Vidal if you haven't already read it. The main character is the grandson of Zoraster and a Persian diplomat. He travels to India to meet the Buddah and to China to converse with Confusius (sp). An ambitious and compelling read...

11:39 AM  
Anonymous jackie_o said...

Marks-o-lot,
You have expressed my own sentiments beautifully. I've nothing to add other than I'm happy you'll be hanging around this here high class joint with us when you find you have the time. If I drank and if this weren't the internets, I'd make you a vodka martini, two olives, mind you, and drink to your health :-)

3:21 PM  
Anonymous jackie_o said...

Kid, durrati and all,
Even though we're a bunch of teetotalers...well, some of us.
Anyway, I've always thought of a martini as being the most glamourous drink one could use as a symbol of a toast. I imagine F. Scott Fitzgerald using it in a metaphor that would go something like,
"and the sound of money was in her shaker."
I'm just taking the long way around to say I'd make those martinis for the whole lot of you.

3:35 PM  
Blogger Sgt Marks-a-lot said...

jackie_o - Why thank you. That was a very sweet post. You made my day. Don't worry, I will do the drinking for both of us.

I really enjoy your posts. Am I correct in understanding that you have arthritis in one or both shoulders? I have difficulty sleeping due to pain in my shoulders which I suspect is arthritis (left: approx. 25 shoulder dislocations corrected at liesure by surgery + broken collarbone that didn't get properly set, right: too much ball playing or something).

I have recently discovered that the weight of my head while laying on my side is a big factor in this pain issue. For years I slept with one thin pillow. I now sleep with two medium pillows and have had the nighttime shoulder pain more or less go away (Now I am waiting for the neck pain to set in, har, har! This is a one way trip, as my mother says, old age ain't for wimps and I'm only in my 50's). Live hard and pay the consequences I guess.

Hope you're feeling better.

Kindest,

Marks-a-lot

4:13 PM  
Anonymous WhattheH said...

Marks, so good to see ....er ...read you again. I was worried when you hadn't posted recently. Good to know you're still around, and thanks. Tell your wife that based on statistics that are available, the molestation situation is 1 in 4, however that cannot include the ones that, like mine, go unreported. Scary stuff.
Gosh, we all have similar afflictions. I have arthritis in most of my joints, but I'll be darned if I let it get me down. Yoga is the answer for me. Marks, you might want to try it. It relies more on stretching the muscles and ligaments, and from my own experience, it really does relieve the pain and makes the joint more flexible.
Jackie - Martinis hmmmmm. I love martinis! But I had to swear off. Too delicious and too easy to drink = too many at once which leads to very nasty mornings. Today, I drink nothing but wine, and some days do nothing but whine. Seems to be an appropriate fit, although with you making the martinis, I could not in good conscience turn one down. Thanks for the offer. I'd take you up on it, but with what's happening, I'm going to need a biometric piece of identification to get across the border, and I hate the government of any country having that kind of information about me. I've never committed a crime, have led an exemplary life (well, kinda) and it galls me. Enough said.

5:02 PM  
Blogger KidKawartha said...

Guys and gals-
Lot's of stuff here, but I'm going to respond on newest thread.....

7:30 PM  
Blogger durrati said...

I'm gonna resond here. I have, in this thread, the best of the General's commenters (if only Ven Ed were to find his way here!).I could play with my keyboard and come up with a poor rejoinder but why bother. The comments above are rich enough for one poor post. I like vodka gimlets (a martini with Roses' Lime instead of Vermouth) and occassionally I likes 'em too well % )

9:52 PM  
Blogger durrati said...

Jacq,

F. Scott to delta blues...

"Shake yer money maker".

You absolutely slay ne....

9:57 PM  
Anonymous WINEGUY said...

Sweet Jesus, Ed! The shit done hit the fan here in the past week or so. Unfortunately we live in a time in which people are incredibly ungenerous. Generosity, in my opinion, is one of the great gifts a person may give himself. But I'm reminded of Ambrose Bearce's take on the term "generous". He describes it in his Devil's Dictionary thus: adj. Originally this word meant noble by birth and was rightly applied to a great multitude of persons. It now means noble by nature and is taking a bit of a rest. That was published in 1911 so as you can see, it's been a damned long rest.

2:57 PM  
Blogger durrati said...

Thanks, wineguy for commenting. And we are not adverse to a little baseball talk, feel free to chime in anytime...

3:05 PM  

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